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Post by Mikan Tsumiki on Aug 21, 2018 18:54:20 GMT
Abi - Thereminist - Good
Kit - Planner - Good
Blana - Plumber - Good
Tanya - Boardgamer - Ok
Lisa - Demo - Ok
Orra - Spice Girl - Ok
Orion - Astrologer - Ok
Lili - Puzzle - Bad
Lemon - Newscaster - Bad
Dorian - Books - Bad
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Post by Sonia Nevermind on Aug 21, 2018 19:07:06 GMT
Focusing on the names, Nazeem is the only one that really seems obviously different from the rest on Masterminds. Going to think about this from the angle of them basing their fake responses of their real ones. Having firefighter and pyromaniac might support those both being real? Cause they'd want them to be different and none of the others are pairs like that. Crisp and Zilch are the only weird last names so I don’t think they can both be fake. I mean most of the last names for Masterminds are kind of normal.
The kingpins have noticeably more varied names. I don’t think a name like Scooter would get used unless they already saw one weird name somewhere. That would point to Orion Spellkey being real. I’m also noticing the two Japanese last names and I think the one that has a Japanese first name as well would probably be a fake one (Kia the planner). Orra Disantia is just out of nowhere, I think it has to be real. Would they want a board gamer and a puzzle solver? They both look fake but I don't know that they'd write two very similar ones. I think one could be based off the other because they follow a similar pattern.
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Post by Yasuhiro Hagakure on Aug 21, 2018 19:16:21 GMT
Hmm. We have some wildly different opinions here.
How do we make one list? I don't want poor Chihiro stuck with having to submit things at the last second again.
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Toko Fukawa
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Post by Toko Fukawa on Aug 21, 2018 19:54:30 GMT
I've made a ranking based on all the lists I could find here. I can add points for everyone else who submits, if needed.  |
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Post by Yasuhiro Hagakure on Aug 21, 2018 20:10:56 GMT
Ok that really helps but man are we all over the place on some of these.
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Post by Shuichi Saihara on Aug 21, 2018 20:28:45 GMT
I feel like most of them mention a piece of the person's journey to becoming the ultimate, or at least mention something about them as a kid.
When it comes to the Kingpins, Tanya Miette sticks out to me still. Nothing about her journey to becoming a boardgamer or a mention of her past. Her bio is literally: she likes playing games with friends but sometimes she loses friends. Plus Hiro mentioned a lot of tacky writing.
Dorian as well doesn't mention anything about his childhood. It starts with a present tense, "he isn't a talker" and other than Tanya none of them start present tense about their story. Will look at it more.
I still think Lili Scooter is a slam dunk including her last name in the bio.
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Post by Sonia Nevermind on Aug 21, 2018 20:31:20 GMT
Those lists don't look too bad... I still don't like Kia a bit, but I think I'm alone in that area. Orion might be a bit high. Orra would be my choice for last on that.
Lindsay is also maybe a bit low. I don't know. Won't be around for deadline again, so best of luck as I gotta get going.
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Post by Shuichi Saihara on Aug 21, 2018 20:32:02 GMT
One exception I found to present tense thing I mentioned was our mod given Pamela starting present tense with, "Pamela has spent a lot of time breeding puppies and training them to be award winning dogs." but later in the bio, it still delves into her childhood anyway.
Edit: Actually, that's still kind of past tense anyway lol
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Post by Kirumi Tojo on Aug 21, 2018 20:34:05 GMT
I also want to note my rankings at that time was heavily predicated as typos being actual "gotchas."
I am going to skim over everything else I've missed, and reread everything again.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Aug 21, 2018 20:59:48 GMT
From the Kingpins, in random order Name: Lisa Iwaname Talent: Ultimate Demolitionist Quote: "Controlled destruction." Bio: To her teachers, Lisa appeared to be a troublemaker without any real potential. After Lisa was expelled for completely destroying her school's playground, she found herself sneaking into construction sites at night when she wasn't helping with her father's business. The workers were baffled to find in the morning that the old buildings marked for destruction had destroyed themselves! One night, the site manager stayed late and watched Lisa's work in action, and admired her efficiency, but was concerned by her lack of regard for safety regulations. She was allowed to train as an apprentice, and has since learned to work with and even command people three times her age! To Lisa, there's nothing more satisfying then seeing a day's work come crashing down. This is another typo. |
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Post by Yasuhiro Hagakure on Aug 21, 2018 21:02:46 GMT
I feel like most of them mention a piece of the person's journey to becoming the ultimate, or at least mention something about them as a kid. When it comes to the Kingpins, Tanya Miette sticks out to me still. Nothing about her journey to becoming a boardgamer or a mention of her past. Her bio is literally: she likes playing games with friends but sometimes she loses friends. Plus Hiro mentioned a lot of tacky writing. Dorian as well doesn't mention anything about his childhood. It starts with a present tense, "he isn't a talker" and other than Tanya none of them start present tense about their story. Will look at it more. I still think Lili Scooter is a slam dunk including her last name in the bio. yeah yeah yeah this is how I was looking at things too.
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Post by Mikan Tsumiki on Aug 21, 2018 21:04:45 GMT
Yeah my "Ok"s weren't really ranked. If I said they were good, that means I assume they are legit but the Ok's I was unsure about.
Quinton - Frida - Albert
Dorian - Lemon - Lili
Those would be our picks if we go off Toko's awesome list. Does anyone not agree with this?
I'm completely fine with it other then Nazeem not being included. The firefighter was something I almost suggested too.
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Post by Kirumi Tojo on Aug 21, 2018 21:07:52 GMT
Masterminds redo. I kept some of the original analysis and added onto it if I had new things bother me.
Melani: Commas in the quote. This just feels like a description that doesnt describe anything. Her quote reads better as spray,spray, run away! I'm not sure why the then would be there. Also the FIGHTS BACK through her art part is odd. Fights back from what?
Nazeem:I still can't get over that insanely long third sentence. There's so much LISTING in this bio. The last sentence feels meh.
Frida: Yasuhiro summarized my thoughts much better "- The "But by night" is uhh like a broken thought. I'm not sure why that is there" I still can't see past that. Quilt conglomerate? "Her parents are suspicious, but they are also never home" How can they be suspicious and also never home? That doesn't make any sense. " She fears rejection from her crew if they find out how much she's worth" Why is this sentence here? It's such an outlier.
Barry:In a Quantum? preternatural?
Lindsay:My initial first fake guess due to the third and fourth sentences reading not like something the mods would write, especially in succession. I think you can like honey but be ambivalent about bees, so liking honey=liking bees is an interesting stretch.
Delia: "so quaint and beautiful." is like very awkward.Feels like it should just be makes then quaint and beautiful. This is the first one of the set with a "problem." The last sentence doesn't feel like a closer. This whole thing just reads so choppy.
Emmett: Seems fine? The last sentence is weird.
Quinton: Redundant first two sentences. Feels like theres an excessive amount of HE and HIS.The tone is all over the place.
Albert: Lots of exclamation points. "so Albert opened up his own dentistry office" How did he open up his own office? The last two sentences are ultra awkward.
Donna: This one is like way shorter than any of ours. It's the shortest oene period? There's just nothing here, but its all very focused?
All of these names are way less diverse than our names were.
I did my rankings this time as strictly rating the one I was currently reading against everything that was already ranked.
new list:
Fake:
Quinton
Frida
Albert
Melani
Lindsay
Delia
Nazeem
Donna
Barry
Emmett
Least Fake:
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Post by Kirumi Tojo on Aug 21, 2018 21:09:52 GMT
I'm going to repost this here so I don't need two tabs open to look at it while rereading.
Kingpins:
Kia's is 634 characters and 117 words!
Orion's is 635 characters and 117 words!
Lili: 749/128
Tanya: 681/124
Abi: 714/133
Lisa: 762/124
Lemon: 812/142
Orra:773/138
Dorian:616/114
Blana: 654/119
Masterminds:
Melani: 432/83
Nazeem: 762/140
Frida: 694/129
Barry: 615/117
Lindsay: 559/100
Delia: 501/88
Emmett:638/105
Quinton:619/123!
Albert:655/123!
Donna:404/70
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Post by Kirumi Tojo on Aug 21, 2018 21:32:11 GMT
Lili:Uses the full name immediately? I dont think any others have the full name in the bio at all. This is very jumbled and almost difficult to plow through.
Tanya: This is full of one long sentence "Of course, sometimes her overbearing nature causes people to be driven away, and she ends up hurting for companions and friends to game with, but that's when she turns her attention inside, and plays even more on her tablet, chock full of simulated games." She has friends, she doesnt have friends? Building stuff for her friends that she may or may not have? Tablet mention.
Abi: Youtube mention is a bit weird. That's still about it.
Lisa:"watched Lisa's work in action," thats a very odd turn of phrase. Oddish last name?
Kia: "Though she's incredibly bossy and will force organization into your life" weird tone change from the rest of the bio. Ok so weird small thing. She doesn't like boasting, but will force herself into your business.
Lemon: There's still too any errors and weird everything here.
Orra: odd name. spices aren't only associated with heat, so the quote feels potentially off. This one honestly reads really badly to me. There's like 900 lines of backstory and the 4th and 5th sentences dont feel mod written especially. I feel like all of it reads super bad though. I still feel this but to a lesser extreme.
Dorian:This is just an odd one. This one is more verbose, and has sudden theft in it. "But his lust for knowledge grew, and he wanted more and more." Just randomly thrown in. All books aren't necessarily for knowledge.
Orion: I'm not sure. Which has not gone unnoticed reads better.
Blana: Aside from my fascination with the colon, it's pretty fine.
Kingpins:
New List:
Most Fake:
Lili
Tanya
Lemon
Dorian
Orra
Kia
Orion
Blana
Abi
Lisa
Least Fake:
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Aug 21, 2018 21:34:59 GMT
Suspicious
Lili Scooter (Puzzle Solver) - Last name use. Ellipses at end. Not sure if taking it in the human behavior direction at the end is good or not though.
Dorian Morti (Book Collector) - Ellipses at end. Repetitivity with the "more and more" is really out of place. I feel like the usual writer is really good about varying word choice. I also feel like the start of it might be fake because, well, the start of our Ultimate Poet fake was pretty similar to it. Doesn't seem like as much love was put into this as most others, and idk if it's meme-y enough.
Orion Spellkey (astrologer) - Ellipses at end. I dislike that his name relates so much to his profession, in both first and last; as far as we know the mods haven't really done that. (This isn't ace attorney...) Quite possible that there's one fake between Lili and Orion, and the fake was based largely on the formatting of the other. Overall word choice in this description seems to match Usual Writer better than Lili's.
Lemon Lamoire (Newscaster) - This just has so many more typos than anything else we've seen, which makes me suspicious it was hastily written on a phone. Too many commas, elevated language, doesn't quite seem like the same writer's voice. The needless hyphen in flat-out, however, might be a sign that it was written by the same person as our pro wrestler who needlessly hyphenated pro-wrestling. Idk.
Kia Lyamato (Planner) - The ending seems out of place to me...it seems like a weird twist on the ending of Abi's & Orra's which comparatively seem more legit to me. Description details are kind of strange (she's not boastful but she's "incredibly bossy and will force organization"?)
Tanya Miette (Boardgamer) - I don't seem to dislike this one as much as most of you seem to tbh. The third sentence is waaay too long, not entirely sure about "Boardgamer," but thematically I kinda think this one fits with, like, our Bridge Player or our Stand-up Comedian, whose talent interacts with their personality in an interesting way.
Lisa Iwaname (Demolitonist) - I'm wondering if this is where the mod typo is from tbh. The only real problem I have with it besides second sentence being a little awkward is that I kinda feel that the "To her teachers," start didn't need to be at the start of the sentence. Name might be suspicious.
Abi Bains (Thereminist) - I thought the Youtube reference might be weird but it actually seems to fit with the reality TV show reference from our dog breeder we know is legit. Last sentence feels a little redundant
Orra Disantia (Spice Girl) - Name seems legit. I feel like I recognize the writer's voice from ones we know are legitimate. I also feel like a lot of the endings in the Kingpin bios are strange and "She may not have her influencers by her side, but they're always with her in spirit!" may have been the inspiration for some of those fakes, because comparatively it's more convincing.
Blana York (Plumber) - I like the name (seems like it fits with Yula/Doris/Loni). Again, writer's voice/story structure feels familiar to me.
Not Suspicious
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Aug 21, 2018 21:38:31 GMT
Huh Kirumi, I wonder why we get such a diff vibe off of Orra, though I'm not really sure I can articulate why I feel differently any better.
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Post by Kirumi Tojo on Aug 21, 2018 21:44:17 GMT
I just think its the insane amount of backstory that rubs me the wrong way. I might be overvaluing it negatively, but its just a weird thing compared to others.
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Post by Yasuhiro Hagakure on Aug 21, 2018 21:53:45 GMT
My problem with Orra was the story didn't make a lot of sense. It does read like the the real ones though.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Aug 21, 2018 21:54:45 GMT
I mostly brought it up because I feel like I might be biased cuz I found the story really cute
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Post by Kirumi Tojo on Aug 21, 2018 22:16:01 GMT
I should be back before deadline, but if not, I completely trust whatever the final lists are.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Aug 21, 2018 22:26:23 GMT
Focusing on the names, Nazeem is the only one that really seems obviously different from the rest on Masterminds. Going to think about this from the angle of them basing their fake responses of their real ones. Having firefighter and pyromaniac might support those both being real? Cause they'd want them to be different and none of the others are pairs like that. Crisp and Zilch are the only weird last names so I don’t think they can both be fake. I mean most of the last names for Masterminds are kind of normal. The kingpins have noticeably more varied names. I don’t think a name like Scooter would get used unless they already saw one weird name somewhere. That would point to Orion Spellkey being real. I’m also noticing the two Japanese last names and I think the one that has a Japanese first name as well would probably be a fake one (Kia the planner). Orra Disantia is just out of nowhere, I think it has to be real. Would they want a board gamer and a puzzle solver? They both look fake but I don't know that they'd write two very similar ones. I think one could be based off the other because they follow a similar pattern. I dunno if it's actually a good thing or not with Nazeem, just because in our own process of coming up with fake names, all of ours were...not quite fitting with the others?
I like your point about Crisp and Zilch, the problem being that I don't feel like there's clear enough consensus over which is more legitimate to risk putting one super high. Maybe it's good enough to put them both low due to there being fair odds of one being real and one being fake inspiring the other?
I think you have a fair point about Orion-Lilli name-wise along similar lines. Between that and the ellipses I think it could actually be worth moving Orion up (at least from my own ranking; I think most of y'all had Orion higher than me anyway). Only thing that bugs me on Orion Spellkey as I said is that none of our real bio names seemed to have any kind of etymological connection to the person's talent.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Aug 21, 2018 22:27:06 GMT
Sonia if you have time it might be good to put a formal order just because then your input more directly affects the ranking
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Monokuma
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Post by Monokuma on Aug 21, 2018 23:25:20 GMT
Don't forget to submit and make them super clear, like bold and shit
. Also you guys suck, like monomi. Despair.
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Post by Yasuhiro Hagakure on Aug 21, 2018 23:31:58 GMT
Ok so I reread our originals. Just want to note that our bird watcher and dog breeder didn't have a childhood backstory. But those two did have super success with what they did.
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Who knew Abi was so controversial.
