Monomi
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Post by Monomi on Oct 10, 2018 2:07:00 GMT
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{Chihiro}
Oct 10, 2018 17:42:35 GMT
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Oct 10, 2018 17:42:35 GMT
Well, firstly, I wanted to say congratulations to all of you for making it here. I also wanted to apologize for the manner of my exit; while necessary, I dislike the impact it had on the game and I apologize if any investment in our relationship felt wasted. The good news is things are better on my end than when I left the game. I'm going to be taking the time to thoroughly read speeches as well as your answers before I present questions. I do also want to let you know that I'm coming into this FTC with a rather open and existential frame of mind.
Best of luck!
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Oct 11, 2018 3:29:19 GMT
Nagito
1. What does it say about your social game that some of the people you were closest and most loyal to, namely Akane and Celestia, were from what I can tell paranoid of you to varying degrees and didn't necessarily intend to take you as far as you wanted to take them?
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Oct 11, 2018 3:47:15 GMT
Gundham
1. I'd like to discuss the "awareness" metric a bit! Could you give me more insight into your level of social awareness as to where you stood with Hiyoko and Mikan, starting from F11 but also thereafter?
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Oct 11, 2018 4:10:42 GMT
All 3 of you: What did you learn about yourself from participating in this?
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Post by Gundham Tanaka on Oct 11, 2018 4:29:25 GMT
Gundham1. I'd like to discuss the "awareness" metric a bit! Could you give me more insight into your level of social awareness as to where you stood with Hiyoko and Mikan, starting from F11 but also thereafter? Watch me flub this hard. I regret so much about that opening statement, but eh, it was a cool concept at least. Okay I'll do Hiyoko first since she went out first. Let's see, Final 11 was the round where all that stuff with Celestia happened. So pretty much my relationship with Hiyoko then was that I wanted to work with Hiyoko. They were literally the only person from the other tribe that I had any idea of. To be honest, we just mostly talk about what was going on (never got into depth there) so I'd assume she felt closer to many other people aside from me. I also know (assuming you weren't lying) that she was one of the people who was sort of behind the Celeste blindside, but actually wanted it to be me (maybe you lied to me on that though, I don't think you did). So I was probably seen as pretty expendable to her. Afterward her stock fell a lot and I still preferred to be on her side rather than risk it with people who I knew were less amenable to me specifically. So my guess is that she saw me as a begrudging ally at this point, but at least she didn't hate me. And that's probably about where we stood until she was eliminated, even though I did save her in a round. Mikan is uh...an odd one. To be honest I think I was pretty straightforward with Mikan, though it took a bit to get there. Early on Mikan and I were very clearly on different sides but agreed to at least be honest with the other during the entire game. She also at first saw me as a threat (which is kind of funny, I did the math and I was legitimately the least connected person when merge started, tied with Sayaka) possibly due to some talks with you, in fact probably because of that. And so this continued for a number of rounds, us not really being on the same side but also not really targeting the other (I assume she tried a bit and it got shoo'd off). And over time, this opinion shifted. I think it was mostly due to seeing what Shuichi was doing and having a close shot into his mind (and shuichi constantly talking about end gaming with me). She thought "eh, gundy (because she called me that in her confessional) is probably beatable and isn't a night mare to talk to". So She decided to tell me so, and I uh...was like "oh so I'm the person you think was weakest, gotcha". But this sort of relationship kept on, us not targeting the other, and at final 4 when I voted them out, we just sort of talked. They obviously want shuichi to win hard, but liked me enough to actually give me notes on my jury speech (which I seem to have disregarded because I'm an idiot) and I didn't do myself any negative damage at least. Definitely thinks I played a passive game though. I don't think I actually did though. I just did the hard work early (and then had it all thrown away by other people). But uh, yeah that was rambling. Hopefully I didn't fail the quiz, if I did, then, welp, there are probably still reasons to vote for me.
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Post by Shuichi Saihara on Oct 11, 2018 5:17:04 GMT
Hey Chihiro! Glad to hear you're doing okay! We were all a little worried. I haven't learned anything too profound because I've done these games before, but one thing I've noticed, is I've matured a lot in terms of how I play games (and these games specifically). Before, these survivor games would keep me up at night and I'd have a hard time detaching myself from it. This time, I managed to get in the framework this is a game, and I never once lost sleep thinking about this game, and it wasn't constantly on my mind when I wasn't in front of my computer. (Well, most of the game. Last night the adrenaline of actually being in the FTC kept me up at least an hour later lol) I noticed that change in myself enough that I wanted to include it in my opening speech, (the part how I've been working on not being competitive in an unhealthy way.)
I also learned I still definitely have a soul and take no pleasure in voting people out. I get the kick out of the outlasting and strategic part, not the voting part.
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Nagito Komaeda
Ultimate Lucky Student
Let's commit the perfect crime together so despair can become the foundation of hope!
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Post by Nagito Komaeda on Oct 11, 2018 5:23:42 GMT
Nagito1. What does it say about your social game that some of the people you were closest and most loyal to, namely Akane and Celestia, were from what I can tell paranoid of you to varying degrees and didn't necessarily intend to take you as far as you wanted to take them? Whether they were paranoid of me, and frankly whether they wanted to or not, isn't the fact we were in the F6/F5/almost F4 together proof that the relationships were there? Or at least that what I wanted mattered? Their paranoia was justified, we had completely different endgames and if they'd targetted me in F7 things would have been way different. If you mean why didn't they know I liked them as much as I do, I don't know about that. I think they knew I liked them as people. They didn't know how far I would go for them and I think that kind of thing is only provable with actions. Anyone can act like they'd be loyal until they suddenly drop you. Perhaps I simply didn't want them to know how agonizing the thought of choosing between them was. All 3 of you:What did you learn about yourself from participating in this? I really love animals. In one of my excursions to troll Gundham by sending him kitten rescue videos I started watching them extensively. Tell me you can look at this and not think you want thirty of them. Until I talked about it with someone I didn't realize how much I missed them and wanted more. I knew I liked Danganronpa so that's not a surprise, but I didn't expect to be addicted to Vines. It was nice to have a captive group that mostly had the same interests in talking about it. I hope more people got interested enough to buy in so I can pontificate about it later. Uh finally, I thought I was going to dislike this character choice since it was an accident but being Nagito is pretty fun. There is some pretty darn strange material out there for him. A quote for every occasion! I have yet to set anything on fire but if I sleepmake some napalm I'll responsibly put myself on a watch list myself.
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Post by Gundham Tanaka on Oct 11, 2018 7:46:02 GMT
All 3 of you:What did you learn about yourself from participating in this? That this game can get to me. Like damn does it. Shuichi talked about how he didn't lose sleep playing this game and I don't think I quite did that, but damn, has it taken a toll on me. Like I think everyone knows at this point that I've never made it this far in a game (granted my opportunities for this have been limited) and like most of merge is a new beast to. Like I really enjoyed the tribal portion, because you all want to work together, all have to work together. And I was great at helping being at the forefront of those. And I met tons of cool people, and I just wanted to play the game with them. Like I might not have lost sleep, but I definitely spent a lot of my free time just thinking about the best way to do well on a certain challenge and what was going to happen if we went to tribal (I had like 30 minute video confessionals on different portions of the game, and damn did I just stop myself sometimes as I was making them because I couldn't take the feels). And the I made it to Silver Tribe and I had 3 people I absolutely adored and we fought together and I know you didn't like Makoto all that much and I did and probably would have found a way to cancel the tribal council if I had to choose between the two of you, and ugh. And then I got to see almost all my friends die, slowly. Like for the challenge where we had to solve that stupid pyramid I actually made a cheat sheet of all the eliminations and there's just a streak of mastermind red running up the page with Gonta, TeruTeru, Leon, Makoto and last Koreikiyo all going out and ugh. Even though I was angry that koreikiyo posted that thread "dabbing" on makoto it still sucked to see someone I knew go again. And I couldn't really do anything to stop any of them except teruteru, but he's like the one that I was most lukewarm on so it was okay. But yeah, that demoralized me, I remember promising with you to place well for them, and I'm not sure how much you meant it, but I did. Like I definitely swore vengeance for makoto when I walked in since I figured there was no way me, who knew like no one on the other tribe (and pretty much everyone else knew multiple people, and between shuichi and nagito those two had met almost all of them), would stand a chance of getting to the end of the game. But maybe I could at least do some level of avenging. And I remember being so happy that I managed to take the first immunity, beating out Shuichi by a full minute, like yes! Suck it Shuichi and your stupid hat, I won this one. ANd then he won the next (though I did throw it) and I was like...oh, great...one of those challenge people...yay. And then the thing I wanted happened and I was so happy and then the last people I trusted fully started getting targeted and one of the people was the other person I trusted fully and I was, sad, but like, everyone would be okay right? right? it'd be okay? And then the other only person I trust is medevaced. And it's just like...sad you know. But you have to keep playing so you hope to get noticed somehow because your other people you trust are like the coolest people ever and everyone knows them but they don't know you so you know you stand zero chance against them but want to work with them, because yeah, what else are you gonna do, work with the people who have a million other people that can and should work with over you. And then big brother happened and I tried so hard to get something to happen, and it like happened. And then the next few rounds were just me trying so hard to win immunities even though they didn't matter because apparently people didn't want to fight me, but I just kept losing for small stupid mistakes, like that time I didn't google butterflies so I lost, or that time I missed the clue the mods intentionally made hard to find but shuichi did, or that time I didn't look at the direction of the red arrow which ended up. But the immunities don't matter and my group of people I trusted grows a little bit and I was happy because...I just might have a chance after everything I lost. And suddenly, I lost one of the two people I originally trusted because I didn't switch my vote because I also cared about another player and like ugh, that hurt. And then I finally got to kill the person who killed makoto the most who just....kept.....living, and was also a pretty cool person but damn did I need them to die. And then I had to choose whether to kill my best friend remaining in the game, or give a chance of losing to them at the end. And then I really didn't like myself because I already knew what I was gonna do the moment I saw immunity results, and then yeah, that was sad...like really sad, and slow, and ugh, games suck. But at least I might have a chance, a shot at making the end and so you give it your all, and I won final immunity and like, yay yay yay. I actually made it, little old gundham after getting fucked by rng so much and being in a fucking terrible spot at merge start actually made it to the end of the game and no one could take it away. And then I wrote a stupidly long speech with a stupid technique and rushed through the actual part that people would read because I'm an idiot and was so happy that I was actually going to make the end even though I knew from the moment I stepped into merge if I made it to the end I'd probably be in a bad spot just because I didn't swap with most of the people that existed. And then Mikan is all like "yeah, you won't win" and I'm just "really?" and she's like "yeah, you were so passive man" and I'm like "Passive? What you say" and she's like "yeah, you gonna lose" and I'm like, "but I must fight and protect my honor" and then go through with the stupid speech that it seems convinced no one either way on me. And then yeah. FTC is pretty much designed to break you down. Like I've been looking at questions and wondering like "what else was I supposed to do?" was I supposed to go to the end with the all stars and just lose? was I supposed to magically stop votes on tribes that I wasn't on? was I supposed to immediately betray the only people who mattered to me at merge and try to work with people who'd probably just cut me after a little bit of time? And it all just sucks cause like...I don't think anyone else is gonna tell me that, at least not until after the game. And if there is no answer to that question then.... And I try to talk about my previous tribes and it feels like everyone is "yeah I wasn't there, but what about MERGE" when like half the game happens before merge. And wow this was a lot of rambling about what I felt on this game because none of the ones I played before actually haven't actually...affected me like this. And like it seems a number of votes are still very much in the air, and all hope is not lost, but damn I needed to get this all out of my system even though it probably doesn't help my case at all. But like, yeah I've been dying to talk to you since you left and haven't been able to (and you didn't even say goodbye), and I guess that's why I'm posting this here to a question that's like...not meant to get like this. But eh, if it doesn't feel real, if you don't feel it deeply, then like, why are you playing. Yeah, I guess I learned just how much a game with a bunch of online people can make you feel, through twists and turns, blindsides and immunity runs and I lot of messaging. And like, Chihiro, I made it, I fucking made it to the end of one these things. And it was hard to do that, it was really hard to do that, and damn did I feel it all the way here. So I guess that's the answer to your question. Sorry about the rambling and the switching tenses but after a while I felt I was just....in too deep to not finish the thoughts and feels. Welp. I think I'm gonna sleep.
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{Chihiro}
Oct 11, 2018 14:53:41 GMT
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Oct 11, 2018 14:53:41 GMT
Nagito
So... a core part of my game plan was that I always strived to be open to new friends in swap situations no matter how things looked on paper. Because of how things were on paper on Future, with me only knowing 3 people. I was on bad/weird terms with Shuichi and Saya was his ally. I was really very open to seeing who was most genuine with me at that stage of things. I definitely came into the tribe with the most hope for friendship with you and Celestia. You because of your public persona, lack of reasons to distrust you at that point, and most importantly because I had the feeling you might have allied with Hiro and I was looking for any opportunity to build options for him and I to work together.
The way you treated me in your third and fourth PM completely floored me and shot down my hopes of working with you in a serious capacity. I don't understand why you thought any reasonable person would respond well to the way you were speaking to me. You interrogated me about why I voted out Chiaki. You asked me for information on people you hadn't met, ignored me when I returned the question, in order to poke at the fact that I'd accidentally implied not having idols or advantages. You told me that people I came to trust and care about a lot were only nice to me when they couldn't vote me out anymore "lol." You poked at me to find out if I "lamented" who was in my clique, knowing my cliquemate was our tribemate. What i got from that is you saw me as an enemy, would demand way more information than you'd give in return, and wanted to incite paranoia in me.
Can you help me understand if it was just that you had two idols that you didn't care to not transparently see me as an enemy number, and what exactly you were trying to accomplish with your demeanor toward me? I guess I've found the manner you've discussed my dislike of you off putting in this FTC and it's reopened the wound.
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{Chihiro}
Oct 12, 2018 2:05:27 GMT
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Oct 12, 2018 2:05:27 GMT
Shuichi 2. Both for premerge and postmerge, could you answer for me who you feel you misread the intentions of the most?
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Post by Shuichi Saihara on Oct 12, 2018 2:57:23 GMT
For the postmerge, after seeing everyone say their pieces, the 3 that come to my head are Akane, and both my final 3 partners tbh. Akane, I assumed was someone just sticking on the outsides waiting to strike, and I didn't think she was working all the sides as much as she was. I know she was reasonably close with Kyoko and Celestia and that she wouldn't be targeted for a long time though, but not to the extent she was talking with them. I misread her game and intentions for sure.
For Nagito and Gundham I really thought we were very tight and that this alliance was what we were all committed to, and that we were all close to the top of the list in terms of alliances with each other, but reading some of their stuff they're implying they were like, "meh whatever, it's a thing" about it for a long time. So I probably misread that, but by the time it became really important to me, it seemed to stick. (I think they were still genuinely close with me, but specifically the alliance of the 3 of us I'm talking about)
Premerge, I don't know yet. I'm hoping when I read Sonia's confessional she's insulting me calling me a fool so I don't feel bad about voting her out, but I still think she intended to leave the tribe with me. I'd say one major one that I might have misread the intentions of (don't know yet) was when Kaede started publicly saying how close we were. I thought she might have been setting me up as a shield for her. But I later turned off that cynical thinking and just assumed she was having fun with me. But I never met her again so it didn't play out. I might throw in Sayaka here, if what Nagito said about her in one of the jury threads is true. Nagito said she told him she was willing to dump me at a moment's notice, so if that's true, I certainly misread her intentions.
Those are all the only ones that stick out to me.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Oct 12, 2018 3:40:02 GMT
Not too long til questioning closes, not really sure I have a specific third question for Shuichi or Gundham. Several other jurors have asked questions that I'm really glad they did.
I was gonna ramble a bit on my impressions of certain things but I keep deleting everything else I write so whoo knows
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Nagito Komaeda
Ultimate Lucky Student
Let's commit the perfect crime together so despair can become the foundation of hope!
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Post by Nagito Komaeda on Oct 12, 2018 3:55:37 GMT
NagitoSo... a core part of my game plan was that I always strived to be open to new friends in swap situations no matter how things looked on paper. Because of how things were on paper on Future, with me only knowing 3 people. I was on bad/weird terms with Shuichi and Saya was his ally. I was really very open to seeing who was most genuine with me at that stage of things. I definitely came into the tribe with the most hope for friendship with you and Celestia. You because of your public persona, lack of reasons to distrust you at that point, and most importantly because I had the feeling you might have allied with Hiro and I was looking for any opportunity to build options for him and I to work together. The way you treated me in your third and fourth PM completely floored me and shot down my hopes of working with you in a serious capacity. I don't understand why you thought any reasonable person would respond well to the way you were speaking to me. You interrogated me about why I voted out Chiaki. You asked me for information on people you hadn't met, ignored me when I returned the question, in order to poke at the fact that I'd accidentally implied not having idols or advantages. You told me that people I came to trust and care about a lot were only nice to me when they couldn't vote me out anymore "lol." You poked at me to find out if I "lamented" who was in my clique, knowing my cliquemate was our tribemate. What i got from that is you saw me as an enemy, would demand way more information than you'd give in return, and wanted to incite paranoia in me. Can you help me understand if it was just that you had two idols that you didn't care to not transparently see me as an enemy number, and what exactly you were trying to accomplish with your demeanor toward me? I guess I've found the manner you've discussed my dislike of you off putting in this FTC and it's reopened the wound. So, here was my perception of that conversation: "Chihiro seems nice. I really liked Chiaki and they were probably friends so I'm going to ask them what happened because I'm really sad she's gone. They seem really chill and I remember Yasuhiro mentioning them a lot. I think we're both going to be around for a long time so I should try to get to know them better as a person and then we can talk game." My questions about Makoto were flavor curiousity. We hadn't met and he was the other Ultimate Lucky Student. I misjudged terribly that you'd be upset the vote was you vs Chiaki because of info I'd heard from Kyoko. The "lamenting" comment was a joke about how you said we were supposed to be in a Clique. It didn't mean anything about Sayaka at all. What I'm trying to say, and what I tried to say in the last PM I sent you, is that I had no inkling you hated me at all. I still thought you'd vote me on FF but I didn't think it was personal, I thought you were just protecting your allies and I wasn't one. Honestly, I didn't know the effect I was having on you because none of that is what I intended, I didn't want to be aggressive to you. When I found out about it during merge the first thing I did was try to talk to you through Mikan because this needed to be fixed, immediately, and if it wasn't because of strategic stuff then we could definitely reason it out. That's why I was so upset you left, you were gone before I had a chance to know what on earth happened between us. I thought you mattered a lot. That you were untouchable and that you'd be a huge player. That you had a huge chance of winning. When you left the game suffered as a whole. The only thing I meant with my demeanour to you was to be playful. I did enjoy the thought of having to play against you strategically though, I told you I was disappointed Makoto left because I wanted a cool rival and you were skilled and interesting enough to possibly eliminate me. I'd rather have been in danger all the time then had an easier ride because you had to leave.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Oct 12, 2018 4:27:09 GMT
Shuichi, I believe you mentioned somewhere that you were motivated at times by wanting to outlast me and Ibuki specifically. You accomplished that at least I just thought it was funny cuz it was something that I felt in turn for you+ Kirumi when she returned, but that's...something that definitely subsided over time. There's a few minor things you lied to me about (downplaying connection with Nagito, your reason for not telling me about your Toko vote) that I ... like I'm not even mad. I guess it's amusing to me that I wanted to believe you about those things. It does bum me out that I left when we finally hit the point of strategizing together. rip Nagito, I'll be honest that opening speech didn't do as much for me as the other two ones did, a lot of which is because it was fairly succinct and, well, I came into this with comparatively much less information about your gameplay. I'm still ... trying to get a handle on how to evaluate your social strategy, what opportunities having two idols afforded you, that sort of thing. You do have some good content in certain juror threads. You're just unlikely to get my vote without I guess clearing up my third question satisfactorily and without a closing speech that's more...cohesive? To me at least your positives are more important than their negatives. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I wanna be clear I never disliked you on a personal level and in fact found you a great conversationalist about non-game stuff, just...yeah. Gundham, hey, I definitely meant that I wanted us both to do well. FWIW the things I'm aware of lying to you about in this game by omission or otherwise were (1) knowing about Leon's advantage information, (2) that I told Mikan that I was voting Ibuki at F12, although I thought that she already suspected about it bc of something she mentioned Hiyoko had said (3) that Saya was targeting Akane at F11. When I poured my heart out to you in my last messages that was really my perception of what was happening. I think as you mentioned you didn't execute your grand vision for an opening in the way you wanted but I did wanna say, I've been thinking a lot over the past several days about the qualities of a good winner so that aspect of your speech did resonate with me. Not that I want you to like...be feeling beat down, but I do think that the fact that you lucked into being the least connected in merge but managed to maneuver your way here is an important part of your story that your vulnerability here showcased better than arguments you've made in other places. This...isn't relevant to whether anyone should win the game but I didn't actually dislike Makoto, in fact I believe I remember telling you I had the best initial impression of him between him/Leon/Ibuki. I'm not sure he knew I felt that way because I was really pretty passive socially on that tribe, which may have led to his relative indifference toward me on Silver that disappointed me so much. And um...sorry for not saying goodbye, I guess you can add that to the list of ways I didn't do right by you in the game. But I'm glad me leaving didn't tank it. Seems I got ninja'd considering my profile notification.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Oct 12, 2018 4:59:18 GMT
Ok I'm honestly trying to hear you out here, it's just ... weird to compare the tone I perceived from the mindset you're describing I guess. It's weird to me that you apparently didn't notice you were asking increasingly invasive while ignoring literally my one question to you. But ay I'll sleep on it and see how that resonates with other stuff you've said about me at FTC
Best of luck everybody. Mad respect for the effort that got all of you here.
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Nagito Komaeda
Ultimate Lucky Student
Let's commit the perfect crime together so despair can become the foundation of hope!
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Post by Nagito Komaeda on Oct 12, 2018 7:01:00 GMT
It might help if I explain how I felt seeing Future Foundation. I wasn't confident in my position. Actually, I was a little scared. I saw Chihiro/Sayaka in my clique list plus Gundham from your tribe. Sayaka wasn't that invested in fighting for Shuichi. And Kyoko/Celes had known Gundham first, plus I worried they wouldn't like Shuichi since everyone described him as quiet and they're social players. And Shuichi was specifically afraid of you. Rather then talking to you from a position of power I was nervous that Shuichi was in trouble but I wasn't in a much better place.
Have you ever just nervously rambled at someone late at night while thinking "Shit Shit Shit" over and over? That was #me. Idols aren't a free pass to make enemies, especially of someone Yasu described as Mediator's decision maker. This is why as soon as I found out in merge I set to fix it. After you left I worked more with Mikan instead so it still paid off to try.
I'm glad I wasn't completely off my rocker that you enjoyed talking to me as a person. I expected to use FTC to expand on the parts of my game people didn't see and weren't completely detailed in my speech. I'll do my best to provide something that brings it all together at the end.
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