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Post by Shuichi Saihara on Sept 5, 2018 6:23:42 GMT
No reasonable arguments allowed
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Sept 5, 2018 6:29:52 GMT
A religion doesn"t have to posit a god who must be identified or worshiped. Some religions are polytheistic (Hinduism, Mormonism), Some monotheistic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), Some non-theistic (Buddhism). I"d say the new atheists and their religion are "anti-theistic. " But their atheism is religious nonetheless is a set of beliefs acceptable to a faith community. Just as there are orthodox Christian beliefs, There is an atheist orthodoxy as well. In brief, It is that EVERYTHING can be explained as the product of unintentional, Undirected, Purposeless evolution. No truth claim is acceptable if it cannot be subjected to scientific scrutiny.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Sept 5, 2018 6:30:32 GMT
'Religion' a noun meaning "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, Especially a personal God or gods". Someone who does believe in god and does not practice any sort of religious and spiritual activity is called an atheist.
'Athiest' etymologically is someone who does not believes or lacks belief in god, So how can someone who does believe in the institution of god, Can be termed as religious. This topic is in itself an oxymoron, Religion is following someone unknown to us, But is believed to be controlling our lives, Whereas atheism is just opposite to it. It is something like calling an orange an apple.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Sept 5, 2018 6:31:31 GMT
Definitions have no value so don't ever bring them into a debate there is no single right way or wrong way to use terms. Their boundaries can be drawn differently by different people, And their meanings can change over time. Religion, A particular system of faith and worship. Religion is based on Faith, Every religion is based on faith as a matter of fact. Like I said Just as there are orthodox Christian beliefs, There is an atheist orthodoxy as well. In brief, It is that EVERYTHING can be explained as the product of unintentional, Undirected, Purposeless evolution. No truth claim is acceptable if it cannot be subjected to scientific scrutiny. That is what an atheist has FAITH in because they cannot physically prove everything. And like I said Faith = Religion.
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Sept 5, 2018 6:33:09 GMT
First of all, I do not accept that FAITH=Religion. If I have faith in humanity it does not mean I am religious, If I have faith in science it does not mean my religious. If we don't look into the definition of something, Just because it can change in the future, Then what is even the point of defining something. A generally accepted meaning of something tells the people that they are talking about something common, And if you change the meaning of something on your own for your personal benefit, It's not going to be accepted universally. I say again atheism is not a religion, If it is then who do we worship (or to say who do we have a common faith in).
There are two kinds of people one who when do not understand anything of this universe, They say it is built by God, And you can never fully understand the creations of God & the other kind of persons are those who do not believe in God and to some of these it does not matter why the world is like this and to some, The world can be explained via science, And if it is not been explained yet, It will be in foreseeable future, But only via science. No superhuman power or faith in something explains our existence. Every religion has some specific beliefs, Be it Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity or whatever. What are the believes that an atheistic person or "Atheism as a religion will have", That every atheist seems to follow?
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Post by Chihiro Fujisaki on Sept 5, 2018 6:34:00 GMT
If you carefully read my previous argument, You will come across this line " the other kind of persons are those who do not believe in God and to some of these it does not matter why the world is like this and to some. . . ", This line clearly expresses that EVERYONE WHO IS AN ATHEIST NEED NOT BE A BELIEVER OF SCIENCE. So you saying that science is the faith of every Atheist, I don't seem to agree with that. There are a lot of people who are atheist, But that does not mean they are pro-science.
and I am curious to know what do you think is the meaning of "atheism" and "religion" separately. Please explain.
"Atheism is a religion" is an oxymoron, Period.
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Post by Kyoko Kirigiri on Sept 5, 2018 12:46:15 GMT
“We are not rich by what we possess but by what we can do without.”
― Immanuel Kant
tags: contentment, poverty, riches 844 likes Like
“He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.”
― Emmanuel Kant
tags: animal-rights, cruelty, judge, morality, treatment 687 likes Like
“Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.”
― Immanuel Kant, Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals/On a Supposed Right to Lie Because of Philanthropic Concerns
tags: act, humanity, means-to-an-end, morality 381 likes Like
“Look closely. The beautiful may be small.”
― Immanuel Kant
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“Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage. Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude! 'Have courage to use your own reason!'- that is the motto of enlightenment.”
― Immanuel Kant, An Answer to the Question: What Is Enlightenment?
tags: courage, direction, enlightenment, philosophy, reason, slave, truth, tutelage, understanding 326 likes Like
“Dare to think!”
― Immanuel Kant, What is Enlightenment?
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“Two things fill the mind with ever-increasing wonder and awe, the more often and the more intensely the mind of thought is drawn to them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me.”
― Immanuel Kant, Critique of Practical Reason
tags: awe, inspirational, morality, stars 259 likes Like
“One who makes himself a worm cannot complain afterwards if people step on him.”
― Immanuel Kant
tags: life, sucker 254 likes Like
“I had to deny knowledge in order to make room for faith.”
― Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason
tags: deny, faith, knowledge 239 likes Like
“All our knowledge begins with the senses, proceeds then to the understanding, and ends with reason. There is nothing higher than reason.”
― immanuel kant, Critique of Pure Reason
tags: empiricism, knowledge, rationalism, reason, senses, understanding 198 likes Like
“For peace to reign on Earth, humans must evolve into new beings who have learned to see the whole first.”
― Immanuel Kant
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“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt”
― Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason
tags: beautiful, sublime 186 likes Like
“Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me. I do not seek or conjecture either of them as if they were veiled obscurities or extravagances beyond the horizon of my vision; I see them before me and connect them immediately with the consciousness of my existence.”
― Immanuel Kant, Critique of Practical Reason
tags: admiration, awe, science 167 likes Like
“Seek not the favor of the multitude; it is seldom got by honest and lawful means. But seek the testimony of few; and number not voices, but weigh them.”
― Immanuel Kant
tags: favor, friendship, honesty, seek, testimony, trust 162 likes Like
“Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made.”
― Immanuel Kant, Idea for a Universal History with a Cosmopolitan Purpose
tags: humanity, perfection 156 likes Like
“The busier we are, the more acutely we feel that we live, the more conscious we are of life.”
― Immanuel Kant
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“Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why so great a portion of mankind, after nature has long since discharged them from external direction (naturaliter maiorennes), nevertheless remains under lifelong tutelage, and why it is so easy for others to set themselves up as their guardians. It is so easy not to be of age. If I have a book which understands for me, a pastor who has a conscience for me, a physician who decides my diet, and so forth, I need not trouble myself. I need not think, if I can only pay - others will easily undertake the irksome work for me.
That the step to competence is held to be very dangerous by the far greater portion of mankind...”
― Immanuel Kant, An Answer to the Question: What Is Enlightenment?
tags: competence, cowardice, danger, laziness, mankind, nature, pastor, physician, reason, tutelage 116 likes Like
“The death of dogma is the birth of morality.”
― Immanuel Kant
tags: death, dogma, morality 112 likes Like
“But only he who, himself enlightened, is not afraid of shadows.”
― Immanuel Kant, An Answer to the Question: What Is Enlightenment?
tags: life, philosophy 105 likes Like
“Space and time are the framework within which the mind is constrained to construct its experience of reality.”
― Immanuel Kant
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“Genius is the ability to independently arrive at and understand concepts that would normally have to be taught by another person.”
― Immanuel Kant
tags: brilliance, education, genius, independent, intellect, intelligence, self-education, taught, teaching 85 likes Like
“But to unite in a permanent religious institution which is not to be subject to doubt before the public even in the lifetime of one man, and thereby to make a period of time fruitless in the progress of mankind toward improvement, thus working to the disadvantage of posterity - that is absolutely forbidden. For himself (and only for a short time) a man may postpone enlightenment in what he ought to know, but to renounce it for posterity is to injure and trample on the rights of mankind.”
― Immanuel Kant, An Answer to the Question: What Is Enlightenment?
tags: disadvantage, doubt, enlightenment, forbidden, fruitless, improvement, injure, posterity, progress, religious-institution, rights 82 likes Like
“Have patience awhile; slanders are not long-lived. Truth is the child of time; erelong she shall appear to vindicate thee.”
― Immanuel Kant
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“We are enriched not by what we possess, but by what we can do without.”
― Immanuel Kant
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“Thoughts without content are empty, intuitions without concepts are blind.”
― Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason
tags: philosophy 64 likes Like
“Dare to know! Have the courage to use your own intelligence!”
― Immanuel Kant
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“Rules for happiness: something to do, someone to love, something to hope for.”
― Immanuel Kant
tags: happiness, happy-life, hope, inspirational, life, love 56 likes Like
“Have the courage to use your own reason- That is the motto of enlightenment.
"Foundations of the Metaphysics of
Morals" (1785)”
― Immanuel Kant
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“...new prejudices will serve as well as old ones to harness the great unthinking masses.
For this enlightenment, however, nothing is required but freedom, and indeed the most harmless among all the things to which this term can properly be applied. It is the freedom to make public use of one's reason at every point. But I hear on all sides, 'Do not argue!' The Officer says: 'Do not argue but drill!' The tax collector: 'Do not argue but pay!' The cleric: 'Do not argue but believe!' Only one prince in the world says, 'Argue as much as you will, and about what you will, but obey!' Everywhere there is restriction on freedom.”
― Immanuel Kant, An Answer to the Question: What Is Enlightenment?
tags: cleric, enlightenment, freedom, prejudices, reason, unthinking 51 likes Like
“An age cannot bind itself and ordain to put the succeeding one into such a condition that it cannot extend its (at best very occasional) knowledge , purify itself of errors, and progress in general enlightenment. That would be a crime against human nature, the proper destination of which lies precisely in this progress and the descendants would be fully justified in rejecting those decrees as having been made in an unwarranted and malicious manner.
The touchstone of everything that can be concluded as a law for a people lies in the question whether the people could have imposed such a law on itself.”
― Immanuel Kant, An Answer to the Question: What Is Enlightenment?
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