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Post by Monomi on Aug 18, 2018 1:27:16 GMT
Your innocent hunch is: Shmiyoko Shmionji Your guilty hunch is: Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu Here is your token pool.
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Post by K1-B0 on Aug 18, 2018 3:06:44 GMT
This game sounds awesome! I'll be working until 6 or 6:30 when the game starts so hopefully I'm not in the first round. I can definitely be on to tag out though if needed. Do we have any strategy yet? Also, MonomiWill we ever know which tokens have been placed by the other teams or is it all a mystery until tabulated? This will effect our strategy a lot.
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Celestia Ludenberg
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Post by Celestia Ludenberg on Aug 18, 2018 3:08:25 GMT
I would love to hear some ideas on strategy from the sober people lol
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Post by Monomi on Aug 18, 2018 3:12:21 GMT
The challenge is played in the challenge thread, so you'll see what everyone else is doing (though you won't know what the values of the other teams' tokens are until the end).
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Post by K1-B0 on Aug 18, 2018 3:18:13 GMT
The challenge is played in the challenge thread, so you'll see what everyone else is doing (though you won't know what the values of the other teams' tokens are until the end). Cool, this was my understanding. So we will never know what it is they are trying to give and we will not be sure when it is safe to use perjury tokens. This makes it interesting and difficult to know when to restrain people. We definitely need to make the most of our interferences though. Not quite sure yet how.
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Post by Celestia Ludenberg on Aug 18, 2018 3:19:07 GMT
It's really hard to strategize much thats for sure.
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Post by Gundham Tanaka on Aug 18, 2018 4:04:18 GMT
Yeah so our clique mates are
Me: Hiyoko (Cutie) and Angie (Scion) Celeste: Himiko (Leader) and Yashuhiro (Cutie) Keebo: Ibuki (Rascal) and Akane (Leader) Kyoko: Makoto (Rascal) and Kirumi (Friend)
So we have a good amount of overlap with other tribes. This means if for example Hiyoko and Yashuro were the ones playing (and Celeste and me were playing) we could use the info we have to work with them and place our points on their guilty and avoid placing on our innocents. This would make it a lot easier for both of us and we'd all have a vested interest in helping out our tribe and as such avoid elimination. but the goal is to have people playing who are in cliques with the other people playing in the game.
That's the meta strategy anyway, need to think about specific stuff
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Post by Celestia Ludenberg on Aug 18, 2018 4:06:01 GMT
That does sound like a solid idea
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Post by Gundham Tanaka on Aug 18, 2018 5:40:56 GMT
Okay so I think i have an idea on this challenge outside of it's pretty simple, we have 120 minutes to do this challenge and 2 people, so 240 minutes total. Now just to place all of our evidence it will take 20 x 5 or 100 minutes, so we'll have to double up on that. I also think it's best to just get most of our tokens out early and then play defense on people playing stuff on our people, We know the following: Our guilty person and innocent person are unique, as such unless we are absolutely certain we are aligned with a team, then the only reason why they would put a token on our thing (especially later on) is if it is the opposite of our main ones (which should have the majority of our tokens).
As such the fewer tokens on them we don't know about, the better.
I'm not sure if it's better to restrain the people or to knock out the evidence, it'll get played eventually I feel so we just delay it. Though if a team hasn't played all their tokens then it may be best to just restrain them, people have bigger fish to fry than us and it would likely knock out that team if they can't take any actions, I don't see someone releasing something that isn't there teammate so all we need to do is do that simultaneously and well work.
I also feel early on we play small tokens, try to mislead people as to who our people are and then play our big stuff on our own tokens. Paying too much attention to other spaces will likely cost us big but having them not know where are spaces are, also there are more positive spaces than negative spaces, so if some team is playing more tokens on a person that person is likely their guilty person.
Between this and an alliance we should be able to predict what people other people will target and who is which, that way we can use our alibi and perjury tokens well as combining them for a +5 is safe but is very inefficient compared to getting -5 on someone we want to have fewer points. As such we save those tokens for last.
This is all messy so tell me your thoughts, it's a loose collection of my understanding of what will likely happen.
Also remember to talk to your cliques but not about the plan just yet. They are the key to a huge advantage in this, information.
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Post by Celestia Ludenberg on Aug 18, 2018 5:53:50 GMT
I thinks this makes sense and is overall a good plan. I think starting small and moving up let's us throw them off our trail without wasting too many of our points and it also allows us to get a feel for what the other team is doing before we pull out the big guns.
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Post by K1-B0 on Aug 18, 2018 13:16:31 GMT
I also think it could be very helpful if we have someone strictly running interference. Thoughts?
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Post by Celestia Ludenberg on Aug 18, 2018 15:58:31 GMT
One person per pair or just one of us on the tribe?
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Post by Gundham Tanaka on Aug 18, 2018 16:25:17 GMT
I think that strictly interference gets our tokens out slower, which is bad. Like strictly speaking a tribe that doesn't play all their tokens will necessarily end up with fewer points than one that does assuming no one plays misdirection. As such it's best to either both place tokens or both place interference.
We could also just shut out two teams with a four tribe alliance. Let's say we have 6 teams:
Team 1: Player A and B Team 2: Player C and Player D Team 3: E and F Team 4: G and H Team 5: I and J Team 6: K and L
then if A restrained I, C restrained J, E restrained K and G restrained L. Bouth team 6 and 5 would be in the heavy negatives. So yes having one person run interference is fine if we can get it to all line up, but we should focus on targeting groups people are already targetting.
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Post by Gundham Tanaka on Aug 18, 2018 16:30:54 GMT
Also try and find out challenge participants. Angie is already out so Scion is easily targetable by us.
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Post by Celestia Ludenberg on Aug 18, 2018 16:32:20 GMT
Do we already know who's participating?
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Post by Gundham Tanaka on Aug 18, 2018 16:33:41 GMT
No not for sure, but we might hear who is likely to. I should be free at 6 so I should be able to play, how about the rest of y'all?
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Post by Kyoko Kirigiri on Aug 18, 2018 16:53:33 GMT
I get home about 45 mins before challenge start
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Post by Kyoko Kirigiri on Aug 18, 2018 16:54:01 GMT
I'll spend that time learning the game mainly but im starting to get to grips with it.
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Post by Celestia Ludenberg on Aug 18, 2018 17:14:11 GMT
I have family in town today and they want to do lunch, but I told them I have to be home by 6EDT
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Post by Gundham Tanaka on Aug 18, 2018 17:14:46 GMT
Cool we shoudld have enough around to cover everything
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Post by Kyoko Kirigiri on Aug 18, 2018 17:24:54 GMT
Im working on the crosstribal plan, if yellow gets on board we should be sitting comfortably
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Post by Celestia Ludenberg on Aug 18, 2018 17:38:13 GMT
Thanks Kyoko! Keep us up to date!
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Post by Kyoko Kirigiri on Aug 18, 2018 17:39:22 GMT
We're stalling it slightly atm to make sure we have yellows on board
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Post by Celestia Ludenberg on Aug 18, 2018 17:44:45 GMT
If the yellows are on board, I would also like to bring up that the blue team seems really active. Idk if any of us are grouped with them. But it might be good to have another active team on our side.
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Post by Gundham Tanaka on Aug 18, 2018 17:46:47 GMT
Blue team is Makoto and Ibuki...so yeah
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