So. Like...last tribal, no idols are playable anymore, the jury is likely board with not reading anything, and honestly looking at my PMs is exhausting. Would we mind just hashing this all out in public where we can clearly see and respond to each other's arguments and stuff. I mean I feel bad actually using a class trial thread for it's intended purpose, but I feel this one is special.

I'll wait to do it tomorrow then too so we can do it real time.
Congratulations Gundham!

The way I see it.
Early in the merge, a three way pact formed between me, Nagito, and Gundham to make it to the final 3. Since then we've watched out for each other and maneuvered the game with that goal in mind. While it's hard to read jury perceptions, we were frequently grouped together when other players commented on the game. Hiyoko literally called us 3 out by name even. We generally followed a similar path to get to the end with minor differences in technicalities. It should be a clean even fight since our games were similar and that's why our final 3 alliance worked and was so stable.

If Mikan breaks our final 3 pact and slides to the end then she deserves the win and I wouldn't even be mad. This will be my fourth time voting her because she always finds ways to survive. If it fails again I'm absolutely voting her a fifth time to win since I'm so used to typing her name out. Shes been an underdog all game, always being on the losing tribe. She came into Medhiators with no partner and at the bottom but turned the tribe around to vote out Kirumi. Black dragon was another losing tribe she was set to be the next boot on but she convinced Sayaka and me to flip the vote again. Her next tribe was again the losing tribe and she entered the merge on the outside of a well established alliance. She survived again by staying ahead of the others, making close friends (many on the jury) playing idols, and working her butt off. Theres a reason Kyoko kept trying to target her. If she flips the scale again for the Nth time then that's a cherry on top of her complete game package.

We can't let the rootable underdog with many friends on the jury make it to the end. Let's stick with our original plan. We've almost accomplished it.

My turn!

Yeah this is weird having to downplay my own game but we both know that if we made FTC we would be singing a different tune lol. When comparing me to Shui, you'll notice we have very similar stories. We both found ourselves on the weak end of tribes and had to fight our way up to not get eliminated. The real question is going to be who did it better.

Mediators - I didn't have a partner and was targeted by Shui but Kirumi ended up leaving thanks to Ibuki but from then on, suddenly Shui was in danger, yay!!!
Black Dragons - Now I'm in charge and have Sonia/Saya to vote them off... oh no I don't, Saya votes with Shui against Sonia. How did he do that?

You can give one of us credit about surviving but we both have the same story there. The big difference is that Shui actually had alliances and was an active challenge threat. The guy has been a threat to win since mid merge meanwhile, I'm the lackey that tries to attach herself to other players so I can live longer. I've never been considered a threat this game until apparently last round when suddenly I'm the underdog with jury connections but we all know what the real reason is there... Shui just felt safe with you two and knew I was wanting to vote him out with Celest for several rounds. Meanwhile, I rarely voted with the winning side because I was always left out of the plans.

If it helps, I'll go over who I think the Jury will vote for and maybe that will help you understand how strong Shui's place is.

Korekiyo - Whoever is in the strongest spot. The only thing we know is he doesn't like me cause I'm spineless and I haven't shown much of one throughout merge so doubt that changes

Ibuki - Sure, I was Ibuki's lackey but we weren't friends. I just hid behind someone who was making power plays and thought that she could control me. She won't vote me for doing that, I'll have to find another way to convince her. This was also a vote where I had no influence on what would happen.

Chihiro - I can't even tell you who she is close with. I thought we were friends but apparently she played all sides and probably would have won on her own. You guys tell me here cause I apparently didn't know anything about her.

Yasuhiro - probably the only vote I have leaning my way. Yasu claimed he played this to make friends and I do think I was his but this is yet another example of me voting on the wrong side.

Hiyoko - lol, yeah ok. I'll eat my shoe if I can get Hiyoko to vote for me to win.

Saya - You would think the person I fought hardest to protect would vote me but Saya left calling out Nagito and Akane which is why I wanted Nagito gone at F6. If I could get rid of him, maybe I can get Saya's vote but double idol took care of that. Yeah this vote goes to him....

Kyoko - I've never heard Kyoko wanting to vote me out or consider me a threat in any way... What I do know is that she left voting Shui with Celest because she knew he was a threat. She also called out Nagito as a threat several times to me.

Akane - We never trusted each other but I couldn't just vote her out because she was the one person I knew other people wanted gone. I only know she wanted the greys gone but I imagine her vote goes to any of you guys before me.

Celest - I actually ended our relationship on a good note I think? We respected each other but I think Celest just was using me for information as she would kept saying how much she liked our "honesty." She voted Shui with Kyoko and would probably have voted Shui with me any of the rounds he was immune but was forced to compromise.


As for me, yea I didn't want to say anything about where my vote would go but also because I think it was obvious who I thought the threat was and I've been saying it for a while now. Thanks Shiui for saying you would vote me? Don't see where that came from though....

That's probably Nagito and Gundys call since they are making the decision here.

I'm fine with it

I'm fine with it just because that's the only way TC will get posted before tomorrow morning.

It's true that compared to you Shuichi was on the winning side. In terms of votes and challenges. You don't think that the jury would sympathize with how you've had to work hard to survive every vote as opposed to someone who got to avoid that all the time because he's good at puzzles?

Looking at your three bullet points, even if it's true, the question becomes would it give me jury votes?

Challenge Gameplay is not going to affect votes, and if anything will put me at a disadvantage. Is it really impressive to survive because I win challenges over and over again?

I think I did have strong alliances with people like Kyoko and Celestia. I also worked against them later and voted them out. They're more likely to be bitter against me than you. Even the players there shouldn't have been any controversy in me voting out I flubbed up my jury management. Hiyoko herself said I'm never getting her jury vote.
Did you ever even backstab someone all game?

In terms of impactful decisions, I don't think the jury views any of us 3 above the others. That will probably be one of the important factors if it's between us 3, and I imagine that will be a main thing we debate about if we make it to the end.
But you being in the mix would make it look very different, and will change the landscape of what to argue for. And it's one you'll have an advantage in because of spoiler effect, and generally being seen on the opposite side in the power dynamic as the other two.

I have monolaterally decided to move the deadline to 9pm pdt

I disagree. Challenge strength is a major part of why you are still here. I would have idol'd you instead of Celest if you were not immune and then on 6 was definitely a moment where I would have sided with Celest and Akane against you instead of Nagito. You were a threat that we couldn't get rid of us so and that would effect my decision personally on who I should vote. It being discounted would be foolish.

What your arguing is that you won't get votes because you outplayed people while I might get votes because I did nothing.

So then all I have to do is convince the other two that you are the bigger threat? I feel like I've done a pretty good job of showing that and don't want to start repeating myself. I'll just reiterate that Shui was labeled the threat, not Gundy... not Nagito... hence why I'm voting him.

Oh, I will. I'll likely give a summary of where my head is at. Though I must admit, this is fun. I'm glad I won immunity, if one of you had we wouldn't be having this discourse right here, like....this is what survivor is all about. And it's really respectful too, like no ones yelling or anything and that's great (and yeah, I've seen situations where it wasn't the case).

Am curious what y'all think my case at the end is, and how it compares to your narratives though.

Didn't see your post gundy sorry.

If Shui had won, I assumed I would be having this debate with Nagito lol. I actually figured this option would be much easier for me but I'm starting to sweat XD

You case vs us in FTC? Interesting... I'll think about it but probably won't go into too much detail because I don't want to just tell you how to play your own game.